The Bharti-MTN deal falling through largely disappointed the corporate India. This is the second time the much awaited deal came to a grinding halt. Why did the deal fall through? The reason was the much publicized lack of certain South African government approvals. In an interview with CNBC-TV18 Sunil Mittal, Chairman and MD, Bharti Enterprises said that the dual listed company (DLC) approval was not required in the first stage of their talks. “Maybe the government or treasury in their wisdom wanted to see the eventual path of where the companies will end up being in terms of the structure.”
Mittal further said that the company would add 100 million subscribers in the next three years and that the 100 m subscribers would primarily be from India. He further said that Bharti was most likely to bid for Wimax.
Here is a verbatim transcript of the exclusive interview with Sunil Mittal on CNBC-TV18.
Q: Let me begin by asking you, where did it really go wrong?
A: I think it is all in the public domain now. All of you have covered this event extremely well. I was surprised at the media coverage we have seen in this round for MTN. I mean the companies had come together to put out a partnership together, which was not to be. We needed certain approvals from the South African government, in particular their treasury, and that did not come through.
Q: MTN had actually applied and that is all that we heard officially about the exchange control exemption. Just for the sake of understanding, what really was it, and was it somehow connected with the dual listing or is it something different?
A: We would not know what applications were made. But yes, you are right, an application was made and I believe that a letter from treasury was received by them on September 11, which is when the dual listed company (DLC) issue came up. Why they required that approval, I don’t know. But the fact is that cross holding in stage 1 did not require a DLC because we were not seeking a merger. But maybe the government or treasury in their wisdom wanted to see the eventual path of where the companies will end up being in terms of the structure. That may have brought out that demand of DLC.
Q: Where would these invitations be welcome from?
A: I think our hand is known now. People know that we are keen to be in Africa, emerging markets. So, I am sure bankers have taken notice of what we have done in the last four months. Opportunities will hopefully show up.
Q: Are you convinced even now that in terms of your strategy of going abroad, seeking alliance with the emerging market operator, that is the way forward for Bharti?
A: Absolutely. If you have to be a global telecom player, we will get the size from India and then size and scale then allows us to take the business model outside India, where else but the emerging markets. We are here at the ITU talking to several African ministers, Prime Ministers and each one of them are looking forward to the low-cost business model being injected into the African continent. I think India therefore holds great promise for a lasting, solid, sustainable partnership with the telecom field.
Q: So, there is no question of sort of re-talking to MTN and as I understand the second time around it was the company that had approached Bharti and its bankers? Is that correct?
A: Phuthuma is the CEO of the company and I have been in touch constantly even after the first round. We are both peers in industry, leaders in our own continents. We were invited to this deal. In fact this was Phuthuma’s idea that we restart the talks and we like to be invited. We are not a company that makes moves without being invited. So, I am delighted that MTN saw in Bharti a partner that could have brought value, and we were invited onto the table. That is where we would like to concentrate as well in the future as well. Should there be more invitations coming through, we will talk.
Q: Is there a change of strategy in the way you will perhaps approach future deals?
A: I don’t think there is any hard and fast rule in engagement of such deals because they are significant deals. You never make hostile acquisitions, you offer a hand of friendship, partnership and what shape and size it takes will depend on the other side.
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Q: So you are ruling out any other possible acquisition, you go out and acquire a majority stake in any operator in the world, it won’t work like that. That’s what you are saying?
A: Without the blessings of the existing management and significant share holders, no.
Q: Will Bharti-Airtel only participate in the 3G Auction or will you have a separate interest in the WiMax auction also which would represent a generational and strategic shift for the company?
A: Discussions are going on with the people who understand this area very well. I am always in favour of standardized solutions. WiMax is not at a point where you could call it standardized, that technology is different and there are camps which are still competing.
Q: A quick word on tariff. Currently we have one operator that has gone in for a per second billing plan, another operator yesterday announced a flat rate and said that per second billing doesn’t work. What is your take on that?
A: I think regulators have sensibly kept this sector on a forbearance basis. Given the intensity of competition in our sector, I think that is the right thing to do, just leave everybody alone. Everybody will ensure that they bring out packages, tariff plans, which are more suitable and attractive to customers so they can gain market share. The market is slugging it out. You see every day somebody is giving you seconds, somebody is giving flat tariffs, somebody is giving long distance concessions. All these things put together is good for the customers and let’s see where it goes. If somebody wants to give a flat rate versus per second billing, so be it.
Q: Bharti Airtel had maintained almost two quarters back that it would not play the tariff war game. But recently it has actually perhaps started responding to the pressure that the market might be creating. What are we to read into that?
A: We have always responded. Right from the day of tariff reduction going back many years, we have always responded. We cannot be sitting on the sidelines and watching tariffs go down and we don’t respond for the benefit of our customers. But yes, we do not run this industry into the ground. We don’t take leads and make tariff plans that are hurting the industry.
Q: Where will Bharti’s next 100 million subscribers come from?
A: If you give it a time of three years, that will come from India. But as you know we like to do things on an accelerated basis. So a combination of India plus something else would probably bring it down to two years.
Q: Where would that something else be?
A: Somebody has to come and approach us. We await.
source: CNBC TV18
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